{"id":5012,"date":"2024-01-05T13:04:00","date_gmt":"2024-01-05T12:04:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.tabarnia.org\/web\/?p=5012"},"modified":"2024-01-05T21:36:08","modified_gmt":"2024-01-05T20:36:08","slug":"valenciano-y-catalan-son-lo-mismo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.tabarnia.org\/web\/valenciano-y-catalan-son-lo-mismo\/","title":{"rendered":"Valenciano y catal\u00e1n \u00bfSon lo mismo?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section fb_built=\u00bb1&#8243; admin_label=\u00bbsection\u00bb _builder_version=\u00bb3.22.3&#8243;][et_pb_row _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243;][et_pb_column type=\u00bb4_4&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; custom_padding=\u00bb|||\u00bb custom_padding__hover=\u00bb|||\u00bb][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; background_size=\u00bbinitial\u00bb background_position=\u00bbtop_left\u00bb background_repeat=\u00bbrepeat\u00bb][et_pb_column type=\u00bb4_4&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; custom_padding=\u00bb|||\u00bb custom_padding__hover=\u00bb|||\u00bb][et_pb_image src=\u00bbhttps:\/\/www.tabarnia.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/lengua-tabarnesa.jpg\u00bb url_new_window=\u00bbon\u00bb align_tablet=\u00bbcenter\u00bb align_last_edited=\u00bbon|desktop\u00bb admin_label=\u00bbVideo Youtube\u00bb _builder_version=\u00bb3.23&#8243;][\/et_pb_image][et_pb_text admin_label=\u00bbText 1&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.27.4&#8243; header_font=\u00bbGeorgia||on||||||\u00bb header_2_font=\u00bbEncode Sans Semi Condensed|700|||||||\u00bb header_2_font_size=\u00bb28px\u00bb header_2_line_height=\u00bb1.5em\u00bb header_3_font_size=\u00bb24px\u00bb header_4_font=\u00bbEncode Sans Semi Condensed|700|||||||\u00bb header_4_line_height=\u00bb1.5em\u00bb background_size=\u00bbinitial\u00bb background_position=\u00bbtop_left\u00bb background_repeat=\u00bbrepeat\u00bb header_2_font_size_last_edited=\u00bboff|desktop\u00bb header_4_font_size_last_edited=\u00bboff|desktop\u00bb]<\/p>\n<p style=\"line-height: 19.5pt; background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 15.0pt 0cm;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Somos conscientes de que este tema levanta acalorados debates y que es una cuesti\u00f3n que ha hecho correr r\u00edos de tinta. Queremos exponer nuestro punto de vista, sin ofender a nadie, aportando nuestros argumentos y dejando que el lector saque sus propias conclusiones.<br \/>\n<script async=\"\" src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js\"><\/script><br \/>\n<!-- INTERIOR El Magac\u00edn --> <ins class=\"adsbygoogle\" style=\"display: block;\" data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-5801248162584735\" data-ad-slot=\"8489540406\" data-ad-format=\"auto\"><\/ins><br \/>\n<script>\/\/ < ![CDATA[\n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\n\/\/ ]]><\/script><\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>La lengua<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">En el noreste mediterr\u00e1neo peninsular, Baleares, Andorra e incluso en algunos enclaves de Francia e Italia se hablan variantes de una misma lengua que recibe diferentes denominaciones.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Aunque las variedades dialectales de este idioma son mutuamente inteligibles entre s\u00ed existen notables diferencias fon\u00e9ticas y l\u00e9xicas, hasta el punto de que funcionan simult\u00e1neamente diversos est\u00e1ndares ortogr\u00e1ficos (Acad\u00e8mia Valenciana de la Llengua, Institut d&#8217;Estudis Catalans, etc).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">A pesar del relativamente peque\u00f1o dominio ling\u00fc\u00edstico de esta lengua existen numerosas variantes ling\u00fc\u00edsticas y dialectos. De hecho ning\u00fan dialecto es uniforme, excepto en las islas Baleares. Todos ellos se pueden dividir a su vez en subdialectos, con fronteras siempre difusas y hablas de transici\u00f3n con lenguas vecinas como por ejemplo el ribagorzano y el patu\u00e9s (frontera con la lengua aragonesa) o el capcin\u00e9s (haciendo frontera con el occitano).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Existen dos ramas dialectales principales de este idioma: la oriental y la occidental. A grandes rasgos la rama occidental comprende la Comunidad Valenciana, la provincia de Tarragona (exceptuando la capital y su \u00e1rea metropolitana) y la provincia de L\u00e9rida en su totalidad. La rama oriental comprende las provincias de Barcelona, Gerona, Andorra, Baleares y los <span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tabarnia.org\/web\/el-idioma-castellano-en-tabarnia\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">enclaves ling\u00fc\u00edsticos<\/a><\/span> en Francia e Italia.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-5015 size-full\" title=\"Mapa lingu\u00edstico de los pa\u00edses catalanes\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tabarnia.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/mapa-paises-catalanes-lengua-tabarnesa.jpg\" alt=\"Mapa lingu\u00edstico de los pa\u00edses catalanes\" width=\"600\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.tabarnia.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/mapa-paises-catalanes-lengua-tabarnesa.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.tabarnia.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/mapa-paises-catalanes-lengua-tabarnesa-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.tabarnia.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/mapa-paises-catalanes-lengua-tabarnesa-300x300.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; background_size=\u00bbinitial\u00bb background_position=\u00bbtop_left\u00bb background_repeat=\u00bbrepeat\u00bb][et_pb_column type=\u00bb4_4&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; custom_padding=\u00bb|||\u00bb custom_padding__hover=\u00bb|||\u00bb][et_pb_text admin_label=\u00bbText 1&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.27.4&#8243; header_font=\u00bbGeorgia||on||||||\u00bb header_2_font=\u00bbEncode Sans Semi Condensed|700|||||||\u00bb header_2_font_size=\u00bb28px\u00bb header_2_line_height=\u00bb1.5em\u00bb header_3_font_size=\u00bb24px\u00bb header_4_font=\u00bbEncode Sans Semi Condensed|700|||||||\u00bb header_4_line_height=\u00bb1.5em\u00bb background_size=\u00bbinitial\u00bb background_position=\u00bbtop_left\u00bb background_repeat=\u00bbrepeat\u00bb custom_padding=\u00bb||0px|||\u00bb]<\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>\u00bfEs correcto decir que en L\u00e9rida se habla catal\u00e1n?<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Todos los expertos fil\u00f3logos opinan, sin lugar a dudas, que la variante dialectal hablada en L\u00e9rida pertenece a la rama oriental, m\u00e1s parecida a c\u00f3mo se habla en Castell\u00f3n que a la variante occidental que hablamos en Barcelona y Tarragona. En cambio, ignorando las verdaderas fronteras ling\u00fc\u00edsticas, en Catalu\u00f1a a este idioma se le llama catal\u00e1n y en la Comunidad Valenciana valenciano.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Esta situaci\u00f3n es absurda: O bien se busca una denominaci\u00f3n que englobe a todas las variedades ling\u00fc\u00edsticas, o puestos a poner nombres diferentes habr\u00eda que poner uno a cada rama de la lengua. \u00bfNo tendr\u00eda m\u00e1s sentido que las variedades ling\u00fc\u00edsticas semejantes compartan denominaci\u00f3n?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">En L\u00e9rida y Castell\u00f3n se habla una variante parecida pero tienen denominaciones oficiales diferentes. En cambio en Barcelona y <a href=\"https:\/\/www.viajaresvida.com\/que-ver-y-hacer-en-mallorca-15-cosas-alucinantes-que-visitar-en-7-dias\/\">Mallorca<\/a> se hablan variaciones diferentes pero tienen la misma denominaci\u00f3n oficial. No tiene sentido.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; background_size=\u00bbinitial\u00bb background_position=\u00bbtop_left\u00bb background_repeat=\u00bbrepeat\u00bb custom_padding=\u00bb||0px|||\u00bb][et_pb_column type=\u00bb4_4&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; custom_padding=\u00bb|||\u00bb custom_padding__hover=\u00bb|||\u00bb][et_pb_text admin_label=\u00bbText 1&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.27.4&#8243; header_font=\u00bbGeorgia||on||||||\u00bb header_2_font=\u00bbEncode Sans Semi Condensed|700|||||||\u00bb header_2_font_size=\u00bb28px\u00bb header_2_line_height=\u00bb1.5em\u00bb header_3_font_size=\u00bb24px\u00bb header_4_font=\u00bbEncode Sans Semi Condensed|700|||||||\u00bb header_4_line_height=\u00bb1.5em\u00bb background_size=\u00bbinitial\u00bb background_position=\u00bbtop_left\u00bb background_repeat=\u00bbrepeat\u00bb]<\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>\u00bfSe habla catal\u00e1n en Alicante o m\u00e1s bien se habla valenciano en L\u00e9rida?<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">En las escuelas catalanas se ense\u00f1a con total normalidad que en Alicante se habla catal\u00e1n, cuando si miramos el mapa ling\u00fc\u00edstico comprobamos que Alicante pertenece a la variante occidental, mientras que Barcelona y Tarragona pertenecen a la oriental.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Lo de denominar a las lenguas rom\u00e1nicas atendiendo al gentilicio viene del siglo XIII, pero el Reino de Valencia nunca ha formado parte de Catalu\u00f1a, tampoco del condado de Barcelona \u00bfEntonces a qu\u00e9 viene llamarle catal\u00e1n? tampoco lo fue en la \u00e9poca de la <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.elmagacin.com\/hispania-romana-las-15-principales-ciudades-romanas-en-espana\/\">Hispania romana<\/a><\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Ya puestos \u00bfno ser\u00eda m\u00e1s correcto decir que en L\u00e9rida se habla valenciano? Son variantes m\u00e1s parecidas y al fin y al cabo el denominado \u201cSiglo de Oro de la lengua catalana\u201d, tal y como se estudia en las escuelas catalanas, lo formaron autores b\u00e1sicamente valencianos.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>El mito de que el valenciano es al catal\u00e1n como el andaluz al castellano<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Sin entrar en detalles. Nos atenemos a los hechos: A nadie en su sano juicio se le ocurre decir que en Andaluc\u00eda no se habla castellano, pero en cambio en la comunidad Valenciana la mayor\u00eda de la poblaci\u00f3n, encuesta tras encuesta, afirma que el valenciano y el catal\u00e1n no son la misma lengua. Desde la <a href=\"https:\/\/www.viajaresvida.com\/isla-de-tabarca-en-alicante-santa-pola-como-ir-en-barco-y-donde-comer\/\"><strong>isla de Tabarca<\/strong><\/a> hasta Castell\u00f3n.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Existen fil\u00f3logos y expertos que afirman categ\u00f3ricamente tanto que el valenciano y el catal\u00e1n son la misma lengua como que no. Pero mientras es literalmente imposible encontrar a nadie en Madrid que afirme que existe la lengua andaluza (casi tanto como en Sevilla), es bastante normal encontrar expertos en Catalu\u00f1a que afirman que el valenciano y el catal\u00e1n no son la misma cosa. Por citar algunos ejemplos: <strong>Pompeu Fabra<\/strong>, <strong>Antoni Badia Margarit<\/strong>, <strong>Antoni Rubi\u00f3 i Lluch<\/strong>, <strong>Manuel Montoliu<\/strong>, <strong>Francesc Carreras i Candi<\/strong>, o <strong>Francesc Pi i Margall<\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243;][et_pb_column type=\u00bb4_4&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; custom_padding=\u00bb|||\u00bb custom_padding__hover=\u00bb|||\u00bb][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row admin_label=\u00bbrow\u00bb _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; background_size=\u00bbinitial\u00bb background_position=\u00bbtop_left\u00bb background_repeat=\u00bbrepeat\u00bb custom_padding=\u00bb0|0px|14px|0px|false|false\u00bb][et_pb_column type=\u00bb4_4&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; custom_padding=\u00bb|||\u00bb custom_padding__hover=\u00bb|||\u00bb][et_pb_text admin_label=\u00bbText\u00bb _builder_version=\u00bb3.27.4&#8243; header_3_line_height=\u00bb1.7em\u00bb background_size=\u00bbinitial\u00bb background_position=\u00bbtop_left\u00bb background_repeat=\u00bbrepeat\u00bb]<script async=\"\" src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js\"><\/script> <ins class=\"adsbygoogle\" style=\"display: block;\" data-ad-format=\"autorelaxed\" data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-5801248162584735\" data-ad-slot=\"5683090801\"><\/ins> <script>      (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); <\/script>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_post_nav in_same_term=\u00bboff\u00bb _builder_version=\u00bb3.17.6&#8243; custom_margin=\u00bb50px|||\u00bb border_radii=\u00bb||||\u00bb border_width_top=\u00bb2px\u00bb border_color_top=\u00bb#e02b20&#8243; global_module=\u00bb422&#8243; saved_tabs=\u00bball\u00bb][\/et_pb_post_nav][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section fb_built=\u00bb1&#8243; admin_label=\u00bbsection\u00bb _builder_version=\u00bb3.22.3&#8243;][et_pb_row _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243;][et_pb_column type=\u00bb4_4&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; custom_padding=\u00bb|||\u00bb custom_padding__hover=\u00bb|||\u00bb][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][et_pb_row _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; background_size=\u00bbinitial\u00bb background_position=\u00bbtop_left\u00bb background_repeat=\u00bbrepeat\u00bb][et_pb_column type=\u00bb4_4&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.25&#8243; custom_padding=\u00bb|||\u00bb custom_padding__hover=\u00bb|||\u00bb][et_pb_image src=\u00bbhttps:\/\/www.tabarnia.org\/web\/wp-content\/uploads\/lengua-tabarnesa.jpg\u00bb url_new_window=\u00bbon\u00bb align_tablet=\u00bbcenter\u00bb align_last_edited=\u00bbon|desktop\u00bb admin_label=\u00bbVideo Youtube\u00bb _builder_version=\u00bb3.23&#8243;][\/et_pb_image][et_pb_text admin_label=\u00bbText 1&#8243; _builder_version=\u00bb3.27.4&#8243; header_font=\u00bbGeorgia||on||||||\u00bb header_2_font=\u00bbEncode Sans Semi Condensed|700|||||||\u00bb header_2_font_size=\u00bb28px\u00bb header_2_line_height=\u00bb1.5em\u00bb header_3_font_size=\u00bb24px\u00bb header_4_font=\u00bbEncode Sans Semi Condensed|700|||||||\u00bb header_4_line_height=\u00bb1.5em\u00bb background_size=\u00bbinitial\u00bb background_position=\u00bbtop_left\u00bb background_repeat=\u00bbrepeat\u00bb header_2_font_size_last_edited=\u00bboff|desktop\u00bb header_4_font_size_last_edited=\u00bboff|desktop\u00bb] Somos conscientes de que este tema levanta acalorados debates y [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":5022,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_et_pb_use_builder":"on","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[10],"tags":[57],"class_list":["post-5012","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-territorio","tag-territorio"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>\u00bfValenciano y catal\u00e1n son lo mismo? - La respuesta definitiva<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"\u00bfEs lo mismo el valenciano y el catal\u00e1n? 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